Show me the perfect Nintendo game, please


If there’s one thing I would have loved to have seen revealed at E3 this week, it was a long-term memory for people who frequent the Internet. Something they could download easily and upload into their cortex. Nothing fancy. I say this because, by and large, the apoplectic reaction to Nintendo’s “sell out” press conference has been baffling.

Forget the fact that I’ve been seen as public defender number one to Nintendo since 2006. This article isn’t some impassioned knee-jerk reaction to every little bit of negative news that trickles out about Nintendo. It’s just a bare bones look at the history of gaming over the past three or so years, and how things like “facts” (and events occurring as recently as E3 2008) make all this bellyaching an unnecessary, foolish waste of time.

First, the presser itself. It was lame. It was poorly executed by certain Nintendo reps (Dunaway, please take a few acting classes or something, sister, please). But it was also filled with a number of Nintendo exclusives and new tech that should have any free thinker scribbling down ideas for the next great game.

Already the MotionPlus hands-on are trickling in, and the majority of them come off pretty impressed with the Wii Sports Resort demos they’ve been playing. In the near future, you really will be having 1:1 sword fights with your friends and enemies. How is this revelation already “old news?” How is that no one is excited about this? You’d think it was old news, however, and all because Nintendo didn’t reveal games like Kid Icarus Wii, or a new Mario title or whatever. Of course, we complain and complain, and all the while these were all rumor titles that were actually created by sites like IGN, not Nintendo. Again I ask, these unconfirmed games weren’t announced, and people got mad about that–Who’s fault is that, really? Nintendo’s, or the people who got mad about imaginary games?

And so what if the presser was bad? All the negative press I’ve read reads like a bad emo novel, and that’s saying something considering how pathetic that social caste has become. “Boo hoo, we got left in the cold by Nintendo. They don’t care about us anymore. Me me me” Well–and here comes the context–a little company named Sony also gave a terrible E3 press conference once upon a time (something to do with crabs’ IIRC), and they’re actually doing just fine today (well, better than before). In the end, this was just a press conference. Things never happen AT press conferences. They happen afterward, when people get their hands on the tech, and developers start developing, and consumers start voting with their wallets. In this day and age of the dying E3 conference, I was not at all surprised that Nintendo blanketed the “hardcore” press corps with crap they didn’t care about. Time and time again these past few years, Nintendo has proven that regardless of the title, they will sell it with their own marketing and on their own terms. And you know what? It’s worked out for them, I think, just a little. (please research E3 now, and the ESA, and then come back and tell me that the Big Three didn’t take E3 seriously this year. I dare you). While you’re at it, please research the mainstream reaction to the Wiimote in 2005, and tell me how it differed from yesterday’s display. Cliff note version: It was exactly the same.

To imply that Nintendo kicked people in the gut yesterday, or neglected anyone is incredibly short-sighted and borderline selfish, and says more about the insecurities of the person attacking a company for branching out with “nontraditional means” than it does Nintendo. It also does 3rd party players a disservice, especially those, like High Voltage, who are legitimately putting their heart, soul, and livelihoods into developing a killer title for the Wii.

That leads into a second point. All this me me me talk has apparently blinded a great deal of us to the incredible third party titles being showcased at E3 this week. Your “core gamer” list goes thusly (but is by no means compete)… MadWorld (plays great, looks cool, says Joystiq); The Conduit (infinitely customizable, looks comparable to Super Mario World, says RMC at GoNintendo); GTA on the Nintendo DS, with wi-fi support; a new Rayman you play with your ass; an Animal Crossing from Nintendo that, for once, contains everything fans had asked of it! (first party game, I know); Guitar Hero World Tour with everything the other systems offer; Mega Man 9 (hard as f***, says WiiFanboy); Spore Creature Creator on DS; Call of Duty World at War, another looker; and on top of all that, both Reggie and Miyamoto and Iwata confirm the Mario and Link dev teams are hard at work on new games for those franchises. And, you can bet Nintendo has more announcements up its sleeve for later in the year. They’re not going to waste major first party IP on a show like E3, and you’re an idiot if you think they don’t have more major titles planned for the traditionally madhouse holiday rush. Seriously, you’re an idiot.

This all leads back into the headline for this article. The keynote was sub-par for some people, but that’s to be expected, especially for a dying, all-but-irrelevant show like E3. Again, context, facts, and understanding about what E3 has become. But the “show and tell” part of the show itself, with hands-on impressions piling in by the hour (most of them positive, and most of them regarding third parties), has led me to ask the question: What’s this perfect game that Nintendo should have revealed to make this bottomless pit of the Internet happy? Are you not entertained?

“How could you feel left out?” Fils-Aime said Tuesday. “The Animal Crossing that we’ve been hearing about that people wanted. Fully connected to the Internet, go to other people’s towns. Plus, as I said, Grand Theft Auto on the DS. How do you feel left out with those types of announcements?”

I dunno, Reggie. I guess people are still looking for that perfect, angelic, megaton-plus game. I fear the day it arrives, however, for such is its brilliance and grandeur that it will block out the sun, boil our oceans, and turn the rivers red with the blood of humanity.

Sorry folks, you can’t have it both ways. Either Nintendo relies too heavily on first party titles to drive its console sales, or it doesn’t. And third parties — just like with the DS — are rushing to the Wii banner with new titles, or they’re staying away. I’ll make a bet that many of the people attacking Nintendo yesterday were the same ones who attacked it earlier this year for “pimping” Mario and Zelda franchises into the ground. And now they’re attacking Nintendo for trying something new, while 3rd party games play in the background? Hypocrites, much?

In the end, the easy thing to do was join the vocal minority and criticize Nintendo for the silliness on E3 stage. It was the predicable thing to do. It was obvious. I refuse to do that. There was so much potential on that stage Tuesday, and the reaction to it so obvious, that it felt like 2005 all over again. People were laughing at Nintendo’s expense, Reggie was looping around the stage like a buffoon demonstrating new tech, and the predictable backlash appeared almost instantaneously on blogs and forums. How boring that is.. How easy. How oblivious to history. How irrelevant it will be in 12 months.

So please tell me, once again. What is this perfect game? The same conversations are happening every year now. The words are rearranged, and the products and games different, but the theme is still identical to what it was in 2005. Super Mario Galaxy wasn’t it, apparently, nor will it be Mega Man 9 or Mad World, or an IR-controlled CoD. The goal posts keep shifting. These games we requested years ago finally come out, but we want something else. We’ve forgotten what we asked for in the first place, because it was easier to look at some jackass Nintendo PR woman making a fool of herself onstage.

The results, by and large, have been consistent, too: the detractors are eventually proven wrong, and Nintendo sells 500,000 units during months when analysts said it couldn’t be done. Then long tail 3rd party titles like Boom Blox become quiet million-sellers over the course of a few months. And yet, we ignore this too, year over year. I guess, once again, it’s easier to conveniently forget such pesky details about ourselves, like how we were wrong so many times before, and attack an easy target FTW.

So, like I said earlier, long-term memory, anyone? I hear it’s going to be a new Wii attachment this winter.

PS — And yes, I appreciate the irony of this post. A long-winded rant from me after negative Nintendo news is, of course, predictable. Let’s focus on the message, however, and not me, shall we?

54 Responses to Show me the perfect Nintendo game, please

  1. gametaku says:

    I’m still reading it, and am liking it so far, but for the Conduit quote, I think you meant Super Mario Galaxy.

  2. ResidentialEvil says:

    Since when is a Raving Rabbids game you “play with your ass” considered a “hardcore game”?

  3. gametaku says:

    ^When you can play it with your ass. The rabbids game was a game that people praised in its’ original run, enjoyed in its’ sequel, I don’t see how it shifts from being a core game because it appeals to both crowds. it was actually weird for a Mario Party-esque game to be liked by the core the way it was. So may played it and talked about it online and it sold well. it’s like the same dealie with animal Crossing, the core loved and screamed for it, then when it’s here, hth is this a core game?

    I am loving that Conduit impression on gonintendo. I’m checking all of the 3rd party stuff that got ignored. there seems to be better coverage on SPray today.

  4. Jonkind says:

    I agree with pretty well all you said, but really, is “confirming the mario and zelda teams are working on new games” any kind of a revelation or source of excitement or assurance? I mean, what ELSE would they be doing?

    I think their strategy for announcing games is becioming the same as their strategy for releasing games. why do it at the same time every year? If they can sell millions of copies of MarioKart in the spring, then why can’t they announce their megatons in August or September?

  5. Anonymous says:

    Finally something intelligent, thought out and with perspective.

    With the latest immature “there-is-only-one-kind-of-fun” posts by Derek I was about ready to stop visiting this site for interesting Nintendo news and discussion. (Not that other Nintendo focused blogs are really doing much better)

  6. ResidentialEvil says:

    ^

    And completely Nintendo fanboyish.

    We can always count on a nice long winded rant after a Nintendo event where we’re told that anyone who is negative about whatever Nintendo did is full of shit and then told because they’re selling so well obviously any negativity is meaningless.

    Seriously, some of you I think Shiggy and/or Reggie could have strolled out and taken a dump on stage and you’d think it was freakin’ awesome.

  7. TWhite says:

    What a great article. I cannot stand how people seem to never be satisfied. A never-ending hunger for ‘stuff’. There are so many great games out RIGHT NOW. Why don’t people shut the hell up and play them? Nope…not good enough. Been there done that. Need more. More More More…Me Me Me. Do you even realize how pathetic you are and how good you have it? No wonder this once great Nation is coming crashing down. It is after all what we deserve when nothing is ever good enough.

  8. Jeff says:

    Yeah this article sums up my feelings too. E3 used to be a big show, and the reaction is basically tied to our image of E3 being the big show. The ones complaining grew up with E3 being THE BIG PLACE to show games, but after Capcom’s RickRolling of a conference it’s pretty clear than even the other bigs phoned it in too. E3 is basically dying at a fast rate.

    So what if Nintendo only showed certain games to the mainstream press? They’ll announce other games in the future with trailers. That’s all it takes to win over a core gamer.

    But a HARDCORE gamer requires games to be displayed with glory and circumstance and requires other games to bow in reverence. I lke the former better, myself.

  9. Daverage says:

    Jack Brother, you’re in denial.

    Reggie said it himself, “What more could core gamers want, we’re giving them Animal Crossing and GTA on DS”.

    Either the company is seriously out of touch w/ reality, or they know there’s more money to be made in cheap mini games.

  10. Derek says:

    Well, that about does it.

    Congratulations, Anonymous. You are the second person in the last week to threaten to stop reading Infendo because of my writing. You took it further, though, insulting my work a bit more than the last. Heaven forbid, I suppose, someone on this site writes honestly from a perspective opposite to Jack’s persistent and increasingly predictable Miyamoto leg-humping.

    You’ve piqued my interest, though, Anonymous. I would love to hear how ANY of the stuff I’ve EVER written for this site is “immature” and suggests “there-is-only-one-kind-of-fun.” Seriously, dig through and find something “immature” and NOT “well-thought out” in the Infendo archives with my name in the by-line. Find something not well-written. Find a single spelling error, in fact. Or should I just save you the trouble? Because you won’t. So if my differing perspective — and ability to actually criticize Nintendo when I feel it is necessary — compels you to leave the site, then by all means…find yourself some blind, passionate fanboy rag, something I thought Infendo wasn’t.

    Don’t even point to that damn Umbridge/Dunaway post. For pity’s sake, it was a joke.

    And Jack, I agree with you roughly 0.2% of the time. This week, that percentage has fallen. With all due respect, you’ve been remarkably (“I guess I found this in the gutter”) snooty. You’ve all but claimed a clairvoyant ability to understand what we peons criticizing Nintendo’s god-awful showing at E3 apparently fail to grasp. This post takes your self-righteousness even further. The way you speak down to people — as if you’re in a better position than any others to do so — who react negatively to Nintendo products, announcements and philosophies is getting tiresome.

  11. Jeff says:

    LOL Mod Fight. Except I’m siding with Jack, so Derek can get lost.

  12. E3 is still the focal point of the video game industry. At no other time does the industry have so many eyeballs on it, judging it’s health and future based on what is said at these conferences. sure – the business happens behind the scenes, as do a lot of the analyst briefs, but “Wii Fit” was a hit because of the presentation at E3 that made all the papers and news.

    Personally, I watched the whole thing and saw only one or two titles I would pay full price for. And as I’ve said many times, I’m frustrated by the unrealized potential for Wii and DS when it comes to downloadable upgrades, demos, and cooperative play. Is what we have great? Of course! Should we be satisfied with what we have? Maybe, but some of us know how much better it can be and passionately want it to get there.

    How about this: That press conference was like watching your favorite musical artist lip-sync a concert drunk off their ass. Sure – their album was great, and their previous tours were great, and the next album will be great – but it hurt to watch and it offended their fans.

    By the way, calling us idiots isn’t making you seem any sharper.

  13. gametaku says:

    Eh, this is nothing to laugh at. there’s a difference between criticism and just jabbing at someone for no reason.

  14. ResidentialEvil says:

    “And Jack, I agree with you roughly 0.2% of the time. This week, that percentage has fallen. With all due respect, you’ve been remarkably (”I guess I found this in the gutter”) snooty. You’ve all but claimed a clairvoyant ability to understand what we peons criticizing Nintendo’s god-awful showing at E3 apparently fail to grasp. This post takes your self-righteousness even further. The way you speak down to people — as if you’re in a better position than any others to do so — who react negatively to Nintendo products, announcements and philosophies is getting tiresome”

    Amen to this.

  15. Jeff says:

    “The way you speak down to people”

    I never did understand this criticism of people. I mean we have a President that talks UP to us. Is that what we want?

    When I was growing up I was placed in gifted classes and most of my classmates in my regular schedule thought I was a “brainiac” or a “know-it-all” for simply knowing more than they did at that time. It felt weird to be berated for a special skill you have. I bet Jack might feel that same way when accosted by people who lack understanding and seem to be proud of it. Like college graduate talking to a redneck or an inner-city thug.

  16. Richter says:

    I have to agree with the sentiments posted here concerning Jack. The message is lost when the messenger becomes entirely insufferable. As I said before, I think you’re out of line, and at this point, it would be better if you weren’t a contributor to this site.

  17. ResidentialEvil says:

    “I bet Jack might feel that same way when accosted by people who lack understanding and seem to be proud of it. Like college graduate talking to a redneck or an inner-city thug.”

    Oh bullshit…

    This is exactly what Derek is talking about. You ASSUME Jack has some greater “undrestanding”, when in reality all he his is a freakin opinon like everyone else, and his opinion is no better or worse than anyone else’s. Stop acting like he’s so damn smarter because this whole thing has nothing to do with intelligence, knowledge or understanding.

    Good lord…..it’s getting thick in here.

  18. Richter says:

    What “special skill” does Jack have, precisely? Just because you agree with his viewpoint doesn’t make him “gifted”. I could go on and on about my experience in the industry and my excellent track record with predictions and sales projections and you know what it would mean on this matter? Zero, nada, zilch. Either you’re happy with what Nintendo showed or not. It’s not a debate on whether these products are going to be successful (they are), it’s whether you personally were satisfied with Nintendo’s showing. And it seems, by and large, people are not. Having Jack come here and tell scores of people how stupid they are for holding that opinion is weak sauce, period.

  19. Jeff says:

    “This is exactly what Derek is talking about. You ASSUME Jack has some greater “undrestanding”, when in reality all he his is a freakin opinon like everyone else, and his opinion is no better or worse than anyone else’s.”

    My med school buddy is rolling on the floor. I imagine you argue with doctors a whole lot.

    The heavy reaction to this article both in favor and against means Jack did SOMETHING right. And since those against are more concerned with message delivery than actual message I’d imagine Jack will win out the end. He IS right about E3 being smaller scale. He IS right about it not being that important anymore, as evidenced by the actual worst E3 conference of all time, done by Capcom shortly after. (Less than twenty minutes, and they only talked about a MOVIE) Face it E3 is dying, and no amount of tantrums will turn back the clock. This show was largely symbolic this year. Don’t be surprised if its even smaller next year.

  20. Eisensammler says:

    E3 might not be as important as it was three years ago, but that’s not the point. Nintendo said that they would reveal their lineup for the second half of 2008 at E3. They showed Animal Crossing which is nice and Wii Music which is not. Pretty weak for 6 months any way you look at it.

  21. benthedorklord says:

    don’t be a jerk, derek. all jack’s doing is stating his opinions – he’s not saying they’re facts, he’s just stating them (albeit very confidently).

    this paragraph sums it up the best:

    “So please tell me, once again. What is this perfect game? The same conversations are happening every year now. The words are rearranged, and the products and games different, but the theme is still identical to what it was in 2005. Super Mario Galaxy wasn’t it, apparently, nor will it be Mega Man 9 or Mad World, or an IR-controlled CoD. The goal posts keep shifting. These games we requested years ago finally come out, but we want something else. We’ve forgotten what we asked for in the first place, because it was easier to look at some jackass Nintendo PR woman making a fool of herself onstage.”

    you are absolutely and completely right, jack. a year ago i was bitching about getting a wii sports 2 and now here it is and all i’m doing is making fun of how stupid everybody looked onstage playing wii music.

  22. Rushli0n says:

    Can I point something out though?

    The article says that most of the gamers gripe is due to their own fault. Nintendo is completely fault-less in our complaints.

    Was it not Reggie who stated Nintendo was going to show something for the “core” gamers to GameTrailers? Apparently the “core” gamers didn’t find anything at E3. So he was either off-base or lying.

    Was it also not Reggie who stated Nintendo was working on “refreshing” their legendary IP? Didn’t see any of that.

    Also, I swear I read that Nintendo was not going to be releasing a Wii Sports 2….EVER. Nintendo didn’t need to go there again. While Wii Sports is great, and I’m sure I’ll love “Resort” that much more…it’s still contradictory to comments Nintendo stated in prior events/interviews.

    You could see it in the days leading up to E3 that Nintendo was going to fall short of their promises. There were no press releases, no leaks, no nothing.

    I can fully understand them not releasing info on games yet to be finished. We did not need another Twilight Princess where it was delayed forever. But don’t promise the “core” gamers things and not give them anything.

  23. yegman says:

    I agree and have been waiting for an article like this. Of course they would have loved to show a new Zelda or new mario, but if you have products in dev and they aren’t ready to show, then don’t show them. That is basically the way nintendo works.

  24. Richter says:

    “And since those against are more concerned with message delivery than actual message I’d imagine Jack will win out the end. He IS right about E3 being smaller scale. He IS right about it not being that important anymore, as evidenced by the actual worst E3 conference of all time, done by Capcom shortly after.”

    And all that is completely tangential to the actual point, which is that Nintendo’s showing was weak. It doesn’t matter what everyone else did. Sony’s showing was mediocre, Capcom’s was abysmal, and neither has any bearing on what Nintendo did, which is what people come here for. Jack has been ranting against people for saying Nintendo did a poor job. The why is irrelevant, whether it’s because everyone is giving up on E3 or they just aren’t going the right direction.

  25. yegman says:

    Also, the way sales works is basically they see what is being developed and start getting ready to promote it. Pushing the developers to get something ready for that promotion. Then when they feel the time is right and the developers are on track, they will start hitting the public with clues. When the big event hits and the developers don’t make it, news gets cancelled. Or it gets watered down to just a quick announcement.

  26. ejamer says:

    What is really bugging me lately: Huge negativity.

    Many people are bashing Nintendo for their E3 keynote and overall presence (a presence that I thought was pretty darned impressive, given their prior E3 history). This seems like a strange attitude for what is essentially a Nintendo fanboy site – just look at the tag line.

    I come to this site to see what is happening for Nintendo, to enjoy a few interesting articles, and to hear from the “usual” staff and commenters. Lately things have been much more negative, more aggressive, and less friendly.

    Hopefully this isn’t a trend that continues. 🙁

  27. xaviorq8 says:

    I’m too exhausted by all the bitching to really care about people who can only speak negatively about Nintendo at this point. Nintendo isn’t in the buisness of making whiny little hardcore gamers happy. Hardcore is the gaming world’s largest niche. Get over yourselves! There were plenty of things I didn’t like about Nintendo’s media briefing (Cammy needs to reel it in a bit!), but I’m betting the presentation worked well for Nintendo’s objectives. You can bet their were plenty of non-gaming journalists in the audience, and the expanded market they are there to report for won’t give two shits about Kid Icarus, Madworld, or The Conduit, at least until a game like WiiMusic initiates them into the gaming fold. You want to know about all the “hardcore” type games for the Wii, go read about them yourselves. Nintendo doesn’t need to give you information that they know you will be getting for yourselves later anyway.

  28. yegman says:

    I actually thought it was a pretty good presentation.

  29. ejamer says:

    Regarding the “lack” of content for core gamers…

    GTA: Chinatown Wars (DS exclusive, first GTA on any Nintendo console)
    Guitar Hero on Tour Decades (DS exclusive)
    The Conduit (Wii exclusive)
    Mad World (Wii exclusive)
    Call of Duty World at War (Wii, not stripped down)
    Guitar Hero World Tour (Wii, not stripped down)
    Dead Rising

    If these games aren’t “hadcore”, what are they? Just the announcement that GTA is making it’s first ever appearance on a Nintendo console was enough to blow my mind… does this mean an exclusive Wii version could also be coming up in the near future?

    Admittedly, the list of hardcore titles isn’t huge, but everybody knows that Nintendo is focused on the casual market. That has been their business strategy for several years now. Let’s all stop feigning surprise.

    Additionally, Nintendo fixed their biggest online gaming problem by introducing voice chat and created an optional peripheral to support true 1:1 motion controls. Oddly, both of these announcements were met with skepticsm and disdain, instead of any excitement or speculation about how these could be used to improve Wii gaming.

    I know that E3 might not have met your expectations, but the news listed above really isn’t that shabby and there were many more good announcements for the non-“core” gamer! Animal Crossing is going to make my wife SOOO happy.

    So instead of being negative, why can’t we look at the silver lining? 🙂

  30. ResidentialEvil says:

    “My med school buddy is rolling on the floor. I imagine you argue with doctors a whole lot.

    The heavy reaction to this article both in favor and against means Jack did SOMETHING right. And since those against are more concerned with message delivery than actual message I’d imagine Jack will win out the end. He IS right about E3 being smaller scale. He IS right about it not being that important anymore, as evidenced by the actual worst E3 conference of all time, done by Capcom shortly after. (Less than twenty minutes, and they only talked about a MOVIE) Face it E3 is dying, and no amount of tantrums will turn back the clock. This show was largely symbolic this year. Don’t be surprised if its even smaller next year.”

    Good God….the very fact that you are even trying to compare the OPINIONS of an E3 showing with medical school is causing me to “roll on the floor”. I wasn’t aware one had to go to school for years just to be enlightened about E3. My mistake. Could you stretch just a tad more?

    And if E3 is such a waste of time now, why would this and many sites even bother covering it at all? You can’t have it both ways; praising what YOU liked about Nintendo’s showing but when faced with the negatives about it suddenly proclaiming how little it matters now.

    My problem with the fanboyism of especially those on this site is you’re really no better than those you are criticizing; you get your panties in a wad over people getting their panties in a wad and think some disclaimer excuses you from the behavior or for some reason makes YOUR bitching valid while others’ (who you don’t agree with) is not.

  31. benthedorklord says:

    ejamer – your point is valid but we knew about almost all of those games before e3 – The Conduit, Mad World, Call of Duty World at War, and Guitar Hero World Tour. That makes your list significantly less impressive.

  32. Used Cisco says:

    @Derek,

    You’ve got to get a grip. There will always be people who don’t agree with you and therefore insult your efforts.

    Your existing articles on this site might not be an example of your immaturity, but your inability to ignore that anonymous troll definitely is.

    Also, I think Jack’s denigrating tone is intentional and demonstrates the forceful nature of his commentary. I agree, the appeal of that style of writing is not universal but I don’t think it’s as simple as “he’s a dick and looks down on the rest of us” as you would make it seem.

  33. Used Cisco says:

    “Jack has been ranting against people for saying Nintendo did a poor job. The why is irrelevant, whether it’s because everyone is giving up on E3 or they just aren’t going the right direction.”

    Not at all really. Jack isn’t simply bashing people for saying NIntendo’s conference was weak. In fact, Jack said the exact same thing.

    Jack: “First, the presser itself. It was lame. It was poorly executed”

    No, what’s Jack’s complaining about is the people who are drawing the wrong conclusions from this conference, like that Nintendo is abandoning the hardcore, etc.

    And to that end, the “why” of their weak performance is absolutely relevant.

  34. Richter says:

    ““Jack has been ranting against people for saying Nintendo did a poor job. The why is irrelevant, whether it’s because everyone is giving up on E3 or they just aren’t going the right direction.”

    Not at all really. Jack isn’t simply bashing people for saying NIntendo’s conference was weak. In fact, Jack said the exact same thing.

    Jack: “First, the presser itself. It was lame. It was poorly executed””

    Not what I was talking about. I didn’t mean doing a poor job of presenting (which they did), I meant doing a poor job of assembling compelling content for the presentation. I am a former “hardcore” (whatever that means) gamer, who’s drifted away from the more time-consuming and niche oriented games that dominate the avid gamer’s attentions. I like WiiSports and WiiPlay, Warioware and Brain Training, all more casual titles that are in line with what Nintendo presented this year. What they showed this year, especially WiiMusic, looked mediocre to awful. The content itself was not interesting to me, and that’s why I think they did a poor job, period. It’s not because there wasn’t a new Mario or Zelda or Kid Icarus title on display, though I would have welcomed those, it’s because what they did show wasn’t good. I don’t feel alienated by Nintendo, I don’t resent their new direction, despite numerous strawmen that have been constructed representing this as the real motivation of people who were disappointed with Nintendo’s conference, and I simply would appreciate people like Jack not telling me I’m stupid or angry or that I’m not “part of the demographic” Nintendo is catering to and that’s why I didn’t like the show.

  35. reefinyateef says:

    Great article. The funny is that the “perfect Nintendo game” doesn’t exist. A hardcore game will not be 100% attractive to casuals, and vice versa.0

    I’m curious to see what people think after they actually have experience with the games.

  36. Carlos says:

    Ok, some of us rant about nintendo E3, Jack and other Rant about our Rant, and another Rant and cry because we all rant…

    Impressive at least.

    The only thing that i may add is that… “selfish, me me me me ?” gosh, im NOT IN A LOVE RELATIONSHIP WITH A COMPANY… i can only be selfish in relation with a LIVING PERSON, how can i be selfish for asking for a product i want to spend my money on?

    The rant is more about the direction of Nintendo, not E3 alone, it is not about an absent -X- game.. is about Wii S2 and Wii Music being the focus… ye…. the tech, the tech.. so far the tech that is the Wii Mote is waiting to meet the expectations that N themselves set upon us when they presented the hardware.

    Of COURSE the WiiM+ seems promising…. but promise are empty until can become something tangible.

    Perfect Nintendo Games before the wii, hell even before N64 (1rst 2nd 3rd party)
    puff… so many i cant even remember…

    I support Derek…
    and im not bashing Jack who is right in some things giving my own thoughts, the problem is when thinking something different, is something stupid, immature, etc
    I dunno, but im almost 30, and physiological instability is really an odd case at this age.

  37. Dunaway’s acting was bad; but at least I wasn’t expecting her to act…and she’s still better than Amy Dumas (WWE’s Lita in case you don’t know) EVER was. And I called the payoff to her broken wrist at snowboarding well before the show started…and it was an okay payoff as I got to see a much better looking Shuan White Snowboarding title then expected. Maybe not all the Ubi Soft developers are birdmen….Time will tell indeed…

    Overall; I didn’t find the media briefing to be bad from an entertainment standpoint; but I think Nintendo could have shown more than a dozen titles. And it’s not like they don’t HAVE more than 12 titles to show. For two platforms that have a combined 3500 titles either in development or released in the last three and a half years; and with more than 200 titles for each platform coming within the next six months; you would think that they would show at least double of what they had shown. I mean; Reggie showed off more titles last E3 than this.

    Or maybe Mr. Hardcore is right; and Nintendo isn’t showing off because they no longer pander to them and they think pandering to them would be in very poor taste which wouldn’t surprise me and quite frankly; I could care less. There are way too many games on DS and Wii already.

    And BOO! to Nintendo for not having a decisive winner in the sword fighting contest with Reggie and Dunaway. I was getting into it and they basically allowed Reggie to chicken out just because Dunaway found a way to finally kick Reggie’s ass and took HIS name. BOO! It’s not like they didn’t have the time to do one more round since it took about 90 seconds per round.

  38. Rusty Shackleford says:

    Thank you Jack, knowing there is at least one person who isn’t a complete moron really takes the taste of vomit out of my mouth after reading people’s E3 reactions.

  39. Run line 10 says:

    I don’t know but the games are coming out of no where and games that I was going to pass like COD5 I may get now! Most gamers don’t realize how hard it is to get motion control right to the point that every one can get the trigger motion right. Wow does the 1:1 thing fix this. I’m looking forward to dead on calibrated aim some time in the future also.

  40. Run line 10 says:

    The real hardcore know where to find their games for the Wii. They did not forget what was coming and the motion+ was made for us! They just made it ok for casuals to buy it hell that’s cool with me I don’t mine sniping some ones mom in conduit! It also seems people have a hard time dealing with nintendo catering to the people who are actually buying more stuff than most hardcore. I know no casual that complained about the $80 balance board yet we are complaining about an addon that will give you 1:1 motion. This is why no one listens to the hardcore they just come off as lame lots of times and hypercritical. Every one told them to wait for their games to come out and get a PS3 No0o0o I need one now so i’ll be ready…. yep over paying like $200 hurts huh?

  41. Used Cisco says:

    @richter,

    To be fair, it sounds like you’re not the crowd of people Jack is referring to then. Simple enough. 🙂

    Also, you’re a rare breed in saying you enjoyed Wii Play. I really liked it as well, but have come to the conclusion that the entire internet loathes it for some reason. Not too sure why. I still play it to this day.

  42. jd says:

    Derek, stop bloviating and wasting people’s time with your posturing. Less is more.

    —–
    Seriously, dig through and find something “immature” and NOT “well-thought out” in the Infendo archives with my name in the by-line. Find something not well-written. Find a single spelling error, in fact. Or should I just save you the trouble? Because you won’t.
    —–

    well-thought out > well thought-out
    well-written > well written

    “Well” is an adverb and doesn’t get hyphenated.
    Think clearly and write succinctly. Good luck.

  43. jd says:

    And don’t take it personally. Looking back, almost everyone on this site writes that way–Jack certainly does, for one. I guess I just don’t understand the need for all the pretentiousness. I’ll probably be moving on…

  44. Used Cisco says:

    @jd,

    Hey, just curious, but if you leave Infendo, where will you go for your Nintendo news? I mean, c’mon. Even if you hate on a couple of writers here, certainly there are others who are more to your taste. Personally, even though I disagree with several regular writers here, I still enjoy reading their thoughts on a subject we all enjoy, Nintendo. We are a community, not an echo chamber, and communities are SUPPOSED to have disagreement. 🙂 Without some internal combustion, we’ll never get moving in the right direction!

  45. jd says:

    Oh, I don’t hate the writers at all. I don’t mind disagreement at all either—I love a good discussion. It bothers me, though, when people talk to hear themselves talk, or to convince people that they’re smart.

    Good ideas can be expressed clearly in few words. They’re more persuasive that way. 90% of good writing is cogent thought; the other 10% is painstaking revision. It’s not just spewing whatever comes to mind onto the page or screen, and boasting does nothing but harm.

    It’s probably just my personality, though. I mean no offense to anyone. I come to this site because I like it, but it’s not always the most enjoyable read.

  46. Jeff says:

    @jd

    Yeah JD. The thing is Jack put out an intelligent article and was immediately detracted by people rushing to be the smartest person in the room. The internet isn’t exactly the great equalizer of opinions people think it is. What it does is let the better, more intelligent ideas float to the top, while the lesser, more knee-jerk ideas complain about being overshadowed and “condescended” to.

  47. ResidentialEvil says:

    Or perhaps some of us saw Jack’s article as a great example of jd’s line of “It bothers me, though, when people talk to hear themselves talk, or to convince people that they’re smart. “

  48. Used Cisco says:

    @jd,

    So, to my other point, what Nintendo sites meet those needs? I’m honestly curious. I read a lot of Nintendo sites and this place is head and shoulders above most for thoughtful commentary and provocative reading.

  49. Plutoprophet16 says:

    Yikes, I wasn’t expecting people to get so heated over this E3. I’ve been reading this site for years, but I don’t usually post. I’ve got to say however, the tempers are a little extreme. I’ll admit my dissapointment, but to Nintendo’s credit, I didn’t have anything in mind, I just wanted surprises. Animal Crossing is huge for me.

    The main point I want to make is that this isn’t exactly out of the usual for Ninny. Lets explore three/four years ago, when Nintendo showed off the Wii-box, but informed everyone that their remote was going to revolutionize gaming, and it wasn’t until the tokyo game show that they launched that bombshell on us. E3 was also rather turbulent the following year, as Sony and Microsoft received so little attention they vowed to never return to E3. It is entirely possible that Nintendo is treading the volatile enviroment carefully and waiting for the larger japanese audience on the tokyo game show for large titles a la a new Mario or Zelda. So although I admit being slightly dissapointed, I’d say to people, take a breathe, watch the news buzz and wait for the gameshow. And as to the Derek and Jack feud, lets all remind ourselves that this site is created for disscusion, and differing opinions. The squabbling is only going to hinder that purpose.

  50. rawktapus says:

    I wish Malstrom were here. 🙁

  51. Hunter says:

    The big problem that nobody recognizes is the idea that the press conference encapsulates the entire offering on Wii. This is the perception because Sony and Microsoft structure their shows in such a way that they are a list of titles. Nintendo walks a different road and decides to focus on the unveiling of new peripherals which they actually demonstrate live. This eats up more time than a flashy five minute trailer.

    The presser needs to grab the attention of the mainstream press who don’t stay for the hands on time. The other offerings will be discussed at length with standard game media over the course of the year. I can prove this because what was shown in the presser is not even close to the a list of what I already know is coming up. Fatal Frame 4, MadWorld, Wario Land Shake It, MegaMan 9, Dead Rising, Animal Crossing, The Conduit, Tales of Symphonia: Dawn of a New World, Arc Rise Fantasia, Little King Story, Force Unleashed and Call of Duty World at War.

    But, Hunter only three of those are Nintendo properties and two of them can be enjoyed by casuals too! Well too bad why shouldn’t they make games that appeal to both groups? Why shouldn’t they allow third parties to shine? I can answer the latter by the fact that most of you already have another system and only bought the Wii for Zelda, Metroid and Mario so you want all resources to be geared there. Finally Nintendo is helping with the production of Fatal Frame(I think they are publishing) to ensure that your hardcore games exist. Don’t even get me stared on DS. GTA on DS how is that not core?

    The presser did what it needed to do, it kept the Wii in the public eye through the Wii motion plus and WiiMusic. It would hurt them far more for CNN’s interpretation to be “Nintendo’s dabbleing in market expansion is over and they are just the same as the other companies again.” Relax people it will be fine in the end.

  52. NZA says:

    maybe im stupid or ungrateful but the wii is going on the backburner for me. the games just dont appeal to me and the hardware announcements dont impress beacause they havent even done a decent job with the existing stuff so why should i care about any more dongles.

    i need to get a 360…

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