for a long time nintendo did lead the way and was the graphically superior machine. so for me it was a bitter pill when everyone started bashing the big N. then the wii came out and at first it was probably hard for everyone to understand why an inferior machine was doing so well, but things have changed to where graphics aren’t the main stay of a game anymore. it adds polish to the whole presentation, but if the game sucks it still sucks. nintendo recognized this and couldn’t compete with the other console’s hardware and moved to make games the way they should be and were in the beginning fun and innovative. if people played pong and enjoyed it at the time then it truly comes down to the game and not the looks, because pong was ugly even if it was the first game you had ever seen. don’t get me wrong i love great graphics, but i love great games more.

I couldn’t agree more. I just cracked the 30 yr. bracket and I actually grow tired of the first person shooterrhea you get on the other consoles. I don’t want to bash but I just like the wider variety of genres available on the Wii. It is true a select few vocal hardcore gamers are the ones who are creating such a fuss over the Wii. I keep telling myself that it will all die down eventually once the haters realize they are just wasting their breath as they watch sales go through the roof month after month. Good job guys.

GAMEPLAY OVER GRAPHICS!!!

“I think teenagers aren’t the only ones that do this. It seems like everyone has the same argument.”

That’s my point. It SEEMS like everyone has the same argument because the kids who are too cool for school make up a large majority of the gaming community on the web. I have lots of friends and co-workers who are gamers and no one bashes on the Wii, or any other console. They play what they have and generally enjoy them all, as it should be.

The ones bashing things are the kids and the immature adults. It just so happens that on the web, they are the rule and open minded gamers looking for variety tend to be the exception.

And yes, back to the Olympics!

I like all types of games and all systems also. I just hate the way people insult one console just because they aren’t capable of enjoying it. I like all types of games, but Nintendo has fulfilled my gaming desires more than anyone. That doesn’t mean I trash Sony or Microsoft. I think teenagers aren’t the only ones that do this. It seems like everyone has the same argument. “The Wii doesn’t have the best graphics so how can it be fun?” It’s so silly. I like to have peaceful coexsistance with people in the gaming community, but it’s hard when someone thinks the only fun games are the one’s that let you shoot people.

Ok maybe I do trash Sony now and then for arrogant attitudes and statements, but that’s another story.

Back to the Olympics.

Another thing is Have you guys played some of these Nintendo players online they are pretty good! Brawl is a totally differnet game in their hands, BWii is crazy and mario kart is the icing not to mention the nintendo soccer game.

I think a part of it is these hardcore gamers don’t like being beat by their mom in Wii sports LOL. The same goes for your girl friend.

So now you have all of these generations of hardcore players from the past playing. There is a reason why the Wii started shutting down arcades in japan. It did their job better than them. If you gamed in the 90s you can unserstand why people felt this way. The imagination in some of those games was crazy and the game play was even sweeter.

They didn’t need gimmicks to sell these games which is what the tech advances end up being. 3D is great and all but it just turned every thing into PC games even the arcade games. Every thing slowed down then when games came to the PS system they had to be even slower. Certain types of games just disappeared.

Basically the PS brand did not do a good job of teaching new gamers what gaming was about. It was more about re-imagining gaming into a more movie like experience. Hey for those who like and want that just know the point and click games did it way better. Yet they always lacked organic game play. It was more like playing a jigsaw puzzle rather than playing chess with bullets and fist.

Luckily nintendo is still around and they brought these older gamers back. If I remember the atari games started to suck because people got tired of their games maybe because they catered to what the hardcore wanted.
And arrogance made them create a whole lot of Et carts for no reason at all. I mean does any one know how to play and beat that game?

I had a similar experience with the HD gaming yet I could play them fine but the game wasn’t any more exciting. The FPS has ushered in a whole bunch of level editors and not enough artists thanks to the PC mod scene. I got into this stuff but really once you know it is like doing a web page and most level editors are not set up to make your own game so people kept making the same crap over and over.

That works fine for a FPS though. COD is fun but the level design sucks. The same goes for GTA and lots of other games. No wonder luc B though he could get away with just putting crap any where these guys don’t even play real 2d games. I would think a large amount of hardcore gamers haven’t even beat lots of the classics on the VC simply because they don’t have the skill to. Most of them just say the game was designed badly. Even though they simply can not make the jump or either just play sloppy.

I think the real gamers are going to buy MM9 and beat it the other are just going to own it. It’s just like most people that say they have beaten metroid LOL I have to ask how many times? And did you cheat? Yes you can cheat if you did not know. But beating that game is a true test in 3d. I’ve played lots of games and that was up there. I think most gamers can’t even get past the 3 or 4 orb boss.

I hope the later parts of conduit are like this. Other wise the online competition is going to get slaughtered. Part of the fun was the challenge and knowing how good you actually where. I’m all for including people but the PS gen newcomers are not different than the casual wagglers.

They take pride in their story games that have bad stories and forgettable art. Which is funny because no one else does unless they are having fun. it’s was never about the graphic unless the art rocks creatively.

I also, want to be clear. I’m not necessarily insulting teen age boys. Afterall, about 15 years ago, I WAS one. I’m just recognizing the ingredients that have come together to create the recipe of “problem” on the internet. I don’t begrudge teenage boys or their tastes. I fully appreciate that those are the things they like and justifiably so. When I was 15, all I wanted to do was blow shit up and try to find upskirt bugs in games. At that point in my life, I was probably too cool to play a game like mario. Well, for me, those days are over and I’m not interested in playing “cool” games so much as I’m interested in playing ENTERTAINING games. And, IMHO, the Wii has those aplenty.

And, in full disclosure, I DO have a 360 for the 2-3 genres that are underrepresented on the Wii. It just so happens that those 2-3 genres are quite plentiful on the 360 simply because most of the catalog falls into those genres. That’s fine, but as an adult gamer I have pretty varied tastes and with each passing year, I’m less and less interested in running around with a machine gun killing alien invaders or even moreso, beating up hookers.